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Phoenix Az

If you crossed a white pumpkin(950.5 Boyton) and a orange pumpkin(840 des.) what coler would you get???

5/4/2003 11:54:25 AM

Ann Arbor, Mi

LIpumpkin, you want to take this one on?...lol

5/4/2003 11:58:21 AM

Wroclaw, Poland (51 N, 17 E)

I think orange, becouse orange color is dominative allele (or something like this).

5/4/2003 11:58:39 AM

Sloughhouse, CA

Sometime you get what ever happens.

5/4/2003 2:46:27 PM

Cologne / Germany

From what I´ve noticed is that color seems to be given by the female plant many times. Look at the results from crossing the Calais pumpkins (as female) with different pollinators. The 846 is a good example, it performed much better for deep orange color being the mother than used as male pollinator.

5/4/2003 3:55:16 PM

Walton N.y.

i think suzy hit it on the head with her answer i also think weather and soil condition contribute to what genetics do come on G straiten me out

5/4/2003 4:41:50 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

I don't believe environmental conditions affect genetics. How could they? No matter what environment you're in, you're still gonna basically look like your mom, dad, or both.
Seems the same principle applies with the veggie kingdom.

5/4/2003 6:54:27 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I think that environmental factors "can" influence color but only to the extent allowed "by" genetics. -Steve

5/4/2003 7:08:09 PM

Long Island,New York

I dont "DO" color predictions anymore.....lol..........G

5/4/2003 8:26:30 PM

Morris, Connecticut

Environment does not affect the genetic make-up of a plant. It can however affect the way that genome is presented to the human eye. Take red spruce for example: At low elevations (in a good environment) this tree grows to about 50 feet tall with a distinctive triangular habit. At the same time, at high elevations (harsh environment) the tree struggles to reach 10 feet tall and often has branches on only one side. The two plants don't look alike at all however when it comes down to it their genetic make-up is still the same...... They're both still red spruce.

The same may be true with pumpkins and their color expression under different environments.....

5/4/2003 8:50:25 PM

Morris, Connecticut

That said, a pumpkin with 801.5 Stelts mother gene's and 846 Calai father gene's is not going to be white or green regardless of environment.......

The color will just change shade's of orange with different environmental conditions.....

5/4/2003 8:53:00 PM

Chico, Ca

so Southern was your Mother White or Orange?

5/5/2003 1:39:10 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

My Mom was a bright orange/red all the way!
Dad was green but my recessive allele was dominated, the half-brother got it..he's the ugly duckling.

5/5/2003 3:57:56 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

I don't see how the environment could affect the shape or color of a pumpkin, unless weather is involved, as Al mentioned. And even then I would see that much of an affect as fatal to an AG, sun exposure/deprivation not included.

I've seen pics of pumpkins made green from orange with light deprivation, but that's not conclusive one way or the other, and not a normal environmental phenomenon.

You get what you get from the previous cross. How the result from that cross looks is pre-determined, not by "normal" weather or soil.

5/5/2003 6:32:41 AM

Indiana

There are way more than just a orange and a white gene. To make sense of any set of fruit there has to be at least 4 different genes in my opinion. Which would probably mean that there are way more.

Southern, are you saying that if I keep a fruit in complete darkness that it can still be deep orange or deep green? I would consider that an environmental factor.

Tom Beachy

5/5/2003 10:02:37 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

I would call it a modifiable, human controlled environmental factor. Not such as natures own course.

5/5/2003 11:57:52 AM

wilmington,ma.

I hah a vine go out in the swamp never saw it go.
When i cleaned the patch up i found it out of sight.
It was deep green,other pumpkins on the same plant were orange ???

5/5/2003 7:07:25 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Ahab are you talking AG's or Field pumpkins?

5/6/2003 1:14:30 AM

Walton N.y.

i guess i was trying to say that it might be possible if certain nutrients were at extreame high or low it might have something to do with how much color or lack of color a fruit had in seeds i've given away from the same fruit i've had the growers show me pics of color from bright orange to green just depends on how the genes line up i guess

5/6/2003 9:02:18 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

There is a local story of 2 well known area growers who have repeatedly grown the same seed & consistently produce pumpkins of different color where 1 is always darker than the other. Micronutrient availablity is thought to be the cause. As I get to know & see these folks more, I hope to gain access to their soils for laboratory analysis.

I have absolutely observed where environmental facotrs such as candle power light intensity & hours exposed has impacted the color of Prizewinners even on the same vine. So for sure genetics is not the only factor to play into color range & intensity.

It would be cool I think to study the possible unfluences we can have on pumpkin color. I know avian enthusiasts who feed a carotene rich diet to yellow Canaries & they quickly become orange. Obviously no genetic manipulation needed for that.

Steve

5/6/2003 12:55:17 PM

Usa

You can also change the color of an Oranda goldfish from Blue, black, or white to orange by the food you feed it.

5/6/2003 1:27:54 PM

Columbus, Ohio

Back to squash...the pollinator(father) has absolutely no effect on color of the fruit, only the fruit grown from the subsequent seeds. Therefore, look at what the Mother produced color-wise to get an idea of what your fruit will look like.

As for the subsequent seeds, color is determined (mostly) by dominant and recessive genes which have not been fully identified at this point. The only good way to find out is to grow a few the following year.

5/13/2003 1:02:09 PM