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hi all

1/11/2008 11:04:24 AM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

The cross you make for any given pumpkin matters only to the seeds in that pumpkin. The actual pumpkin is unaffected.

What are the merits of selfed seeds? That's a debate that will likely go on... but I think there should be more selfed seeds, more than we typically do. I think "selfing sets up crossing," but who really knows?

1/11/2008 12:26:40 PM

Pinedale, WY

1068 x 1068= 1402

1/11/2008 12:55:19 PM

Cincinnati,OH

Generally speaking people will self a seed if it is hard to get and has already grown some really large pumpkins. The idea of selfing is to keep the genetic makeup of the selfed pumpkin as close to the genetic makeup of the proven seed that grew it.

1/11/2008 2:31:16 PM

ExtremeVegetables.com

What Ron said.

a few more examples:

1465 slusarek 2007 1068 wallace x self
1450 Wallace 2006 1068 Wallace x self
1402 bosworth 2007 1068 wallace x self
1297 ghaye 2007 998 pukos x self
1174 ghaye 2007 1502 wallace x selfed
1018 vanhook 2007 1450 wallace x self

I'd be a happy Pumpkin grower to have those seeds and expect great progeny will come from them.

1/11/2008 6:02:01 PM

British Columbia, Canada

thats cool!!!!!!!

1/11/2008 6:26:08 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Greenhousin....thanks for the info...can you do the same thing with sib, instead of self after the X !!?? Apologies to WP, for the hijack!!!LOL Peace, Wayne PS..how much of a difference, is there, b/tween self & sib???

1/11/2008 7:29:55 PM

Lloydminster/AB

When a plant is selfed the genes all line up with maximum variability . That means that seeds from that fruit when grown will have traits of either or both and in a wide range of the parents of the plant that was selfed. You could end up with a plant exactly like the one you selfed or variations of it and its parents. It will more than likely be an inconsistent producer though you can never be sure.If you can get a plant that was the same as the one you selfed and you continued to self and select you would get a very consistent line.

1/11/2008 9:42:32 PM

ExtremeVegetables.com

1068 papez 2007 1068 wallace x 1068 wallace sibbed
1662 Young 2007 1068 Wallace X Sibbed
1005.5 Sawtelle 2007 1180 Daletas X sibbed
710.5 Wolf 2007 1407 Wolf X sibbed
683 Lishness 2007 847 Pinkham X sibbed
1001 Kilne 2006 1110 Kiline X sibbed
624 Leonzi 2006 1081 Leonzi X sibbed

Back to selfed again

1468 Richards 2007 998 Pukos X self
1319 Greene 2007 1005.9 Werner X self
1289.5 Bosworth 2007 805 Pukos X Self
1224.5 Kirts 2007 735 Pukos X Self
1180 DeLeeuw 2007 986 Platte X self
1106.5 Lieber 2007 1347 Wallace X Self
1106 Blais 2007 520 Rondeau X self
1095 Dwelly 2007 1225 jutras X Self
1089 Mudd 2007 781 Companion X self
1048 RAHE 1450 Wallace X self
1024 Shoemaker 1248 Ford X self
1018 VanHook 1450 Wallace X self
966 Adams 977 Wallace X Self
954 Piazza 775 Piazza X self

there are many, many more. 2007 was a big year for selfing.

1/11/2008 10:33:30 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

505 Fawcett '07 Est(1105 Glasier[1068 Wallace x sib] X 1450 Wallace[1068 Wallace x sib)! BF

1/11/2008 11:53:42 PM

British Columbia, Canada

cool!!!!!

1/12/2008 12:00:14 AM

Netherlands

Perhaps White Pumpkin means, will a selfed seed produce a pumpkin bigger than the original? Selfing has no influence on the size of a pumpkin grown, only on its progeny.

There are a few examples of selfed seeds doing better than the original seed. Selfed seeds generally get planted much less by the right people, so it is difficult to compare them.

The best example is the 848 MacKenzie* which has produced many over 1000 lbs and seems to peak at 1131 lbs. The 1055 Pitura is a selfed 848* and produced 1234 lbs in its first year out.

PS. The 1465 Slusarek is not a selfed 1068 but 1068 Wallace x 1187 Slusarek.

1/12/2008 2:19:29 AM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

I'm surprised that so much selfing has been recently done! Good job!

I really like that 1468 Richards...

1/12/2008 9:38:59 AM

ExtremeVegetables.com

PS. The 1465 Slusarek is not a selfed 1068 but 1068 Wallace x 1187 Slusarek.

Thank you Dutch Brad!

That information came from the SNGPG seed distribution and is how they have it listed.

1/12/2008 9:39:51 AM

Berlin,mi.(zuhlke2@hotmail.com)

603 Muller (845 Nesbitt x self) is a good example of a self seed that has done great. wish I had one. :-(

1/12/2008 9:59:18 AM

Santa Rosa California

gentics make an pumpkin

1/12/2008 11:49:06 AM

Cincinnati,OH

The 1041 Wallace 07 is (603 Muller x self)It would be interesting to see if it's progeny go as consitently orange as the 603 Mullers progeny.
The 845 Nesbitt had progeny of all different colors.
The 603 Muller was a real orange 845 Nesbitt pumpkin selfed and it's progeny are real orange. So if the 1041 Wallace progeny are consistently orange one could assume the orange trait can be consitently passed on by selfing.
if the 1041 Wallace progeny are all different colors then one could assume traits passed on by selfing are more of a random chance thing.

1/12/2008 12:03:06 PM

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Nick is right, gentics do make an pumpkin- jk Nick.

1/12/2008 12:12:35 PM

British Columbia, Canada

Has anyone selfed a 809 young?????

1/12/2008 1:37:08 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

With the previous countless years of their lack of being grown, what more proof do we need that selfed seeds and/or sibbed seeds hold far less potential than outcrossed ones? Aren't self fulfilling prophecies, fulfilled? LOL, BF

1/13/2008 12:56:34 AM

Danville, CA (petman2@yahoo.com)

I think the above is very useful but isn't the question really to see what the offspring do? The pumpkins shown above are really not self'd yet. The seeds are self'd but the pumpkins are not yet. Is there a way to search the AGGC to find out what self'd pumpkins have been grown recently? (ie the mother seed was already self'd when planted) It would take at least two years for it to occur. For example the XYZ 05 could be self'd in 06 and then the self'd seed planted in 07.

1/13/2008 3:40:36 PM